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Mihael
dec 22 2010, 18:02
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Clip je popačen signal. Ko pri sinusnem (izmeničnem) signalu začne rezat špice in počasi prehaja v enosmerno napetost. To pa pomeni...smrt zvočnikom. Tega se je zelo dobro treba izogibat, tako na zvočnikih kot na ojačevalcu. ko ti zagori rdeča lučka, veš, da moraš zmanjšat, sicer pride do popačenja in potem...

Če sem kaj izpustil, me naj Zvone popravi.
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kristjan
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aja clip je ubistvu hreščanje, pač preobremenitev zvočnika ok razumem zdej hvala a sm prou razumu? :-D
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David
dec 22 2010, 22:45
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From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The altered peaks and troughs of the sinusoidal waveform displayed on thisoscilloscope indicate the signal has been 'clipped.'

Clipping is a form of waveform distortion that occurs when an amplifier is overdriven and attempts to deliver an output voltage or current beyond its maximum capability. Driving an amplifier into clipping may cause it to output power in excess of its published ratings.

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[edit]Overview of clipping

When an amplifier is pushed to create a signal with more power than its power supply can produce, it will amplify the signal only up to its maximum capacity, at which point the signal can be amplified no further. As the signal simply "cuts" or "clips" at the maximum capacity of the amplifier, the signal is said to be "clipping". The extra signal which is beyond the capability of the amplifier is simply cut off, resulting in a sine wave becoming a distorted square-wave-type waveform.

Many electric guitar players intentionally overdrive their guitar amplifiers to cause clipping in order to get a desired sound (see guitar distortion).

Amplifiers have voltage, current and thermal limits. Clipping may occur due to limitations in the power supply or the output stage. Some amplifiers are able to deliver peak power without clipping for short durations before energy stored in the power supply is depleted or the amplifier begins to overheat.

Amplifier power ratings are typically established by driving the device-under-test to the onset of clipping, to a predetermined distortion level, variable per manufacturer or per product line. Driving an amplifier to 1% distortion levels will yield a higher rating than driving it to 0.01% distortion levels.[1] Similarly, testing an amplifier at a single mid-range frequency, or testing just one of two channels, will yield a higher rating than if it is tested throughout its intended frequency range with both channels working. Manufacturers may use these methods to market amplifiers whose published maximum power output includes some amount of clipping in order to show higher numbers.[1] For instance, the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) established an amplifier rating system in which the device is tested with both channels driven throughout its advertised frequency range, at no more than its published distortion level. The Electronic Industries Association (EIA) rating system, however, determines amplifier power by measuring a single channel at 1,000 Hz, with a 1% distortion level—1% clipping. Using the EIA method rates an amplifier 10 to 20% higher than the FTC method, at the cost of audio fidelity.[1]

[edit]Effects of clipping

In power amplifiers, the signal from an amplifier operating in clipping has two characteristics that could damage a connected loudspeaker:

  • Difference between clipped and maximum unclipped waveforms
    Because the clipped waveform has more area underneath it than the smaller maximum unclipped waveform, the amplifier produces more output power. (See the waveform to the right for an example.) This extra power can cause damage to loudspeaker components, including the woofertweeter, or crossover, via overheating.
  • In the frequency domain, clipping produces harmonics at higher frequencies than the unclipped signal. This additional high frequency energy has the potential to damage a loudspeaker's tweeter via overheating.

Other effects of clipping include:

  • Music which is clipped experiences amplitude compression, whereby all notes begin to sound equally loud because loud notes are being clipped to the same output level as softer notes.

[edit]Digital clipping

This PCM waveform is clipped between the red lines

In digital signal processing, clipping occurs when the signal is restricted by the range of a chosen representation. For example in a system using 16-bit signed integers, 32767 is the largest positive value that can be represented, and if during processing the amplitude of the signal is doubled, sample values of, for instance, 32000 should become 64000, but instead they are truncated to the maximum, 32767. Clipping is preferable to the alternative in digital systems—wrapping—which occurs if the digital hardware is allowed to "overflow", ignoring the most significant bits of the magnitude, and sometimes even the sign of the sample value, resulting in gross distortion of the signal.

[edit]Avoiding clipping

As seen on the oscilloscope, the wave resulting from the clipping is not a full sine wave. To avoid this, the overall level of a mix can be lowered, or a limiter can be used to dynamically bring the levels of the loud parts down (for example, bass and snare drums).

It is not simple to eliminate all clipping, as filtering (e.g. a high-pass filter) can align various frequencies in such a way as to create excessive peak outputs. The excessive peaks may become clipped even though the amplifier can play any single sine wave without clipping. As such, some audiophiles will use amplifiers that are rated for power outputs over twice the speaker's ratings.

[edit]Repairing a clipped signal

Complex hard-clipped signals (recorded at CD resolution or less) cannot be restored to their original state because the information contained in the peaks that are clipped is completely eliminated. Soft-clipped signals can be restored to their original state to within a case-dependent tolerance because no part of the original signal is completely eliminated. In this case, the degree of information loss is proportional to the degree of compression caused by the clipping. Lightly clipped bandwidth-limited signals that are highly oversampled have a high likelihood of perfect repair.[2]

It is preferable to avoid clipping, but if a recording has clipped, and cannot be re-recorded, repair is an option. The goal of repair is to make up a plausible replacement for the clipped part of the signal.

Several methods can partially restore a clipped signal. Once the clipped portion is known, one can attempt partial recovery. One such method is interpolation or extrapolation of known samples. While this is only an approximation of the original, the subjective quality is usually improved, sometimes with no audible difference.[citation needed]

Other methods may also be used. One of the methods in CuteStudio Declip, for example, works by copying the signal directly from one stereo channel to another, as it may be the case that only one channel is clipped.

Several software solutions of varying results and methods exist to counteract this problem: Sony Sound ForgeAdobe AuditionNero Wave Editor, and a plugin in the Audacity LADSPA package come with clip restoration software. There is also an Audacity plugin called Clip Fix that uses cubic splines to attempt to restore a continuously differentiable signal.

[edit]Sources of clipping

In analog audio equipment, there are several causes of clipping:

  1. The peak-to-peak of a solid-state transformerless amplifier (most integrated circuit and discrete solid state circuits) is limited to the power supply voltage less a small amount that depends on the design of the circuit (especially the driver configuration) and the saturation voltage (Vce(sat) for bipolar transistors, or Rds(on) for Field Effect Transistors), and further reduced if the output stage does not have a quiescent DC output voltage set to half the supply voltage. For example, with a typical operational amplifier the Absolute Maximum Rating for the supply voltage is 36 volts, but a safe operating design supply voltage is 30 volts; if this was supplied as a perfectly balanced +15V and -15V then the theoretical peak output for an ideal rail-to-rail output opamp would be 15 Volts peak (10.6V RMS, 30V peak-to-peak), but a real-world opamp such as the 741 is likely to only be able to drive about 10 volts peak into loads above 2 kilohms, i.e. about 7.1V RMS).
  2. An amplifier may have an asymmetrical output swing, perhaps because a transistor is biased so its collector voltage is not half the supply voltage (or the "balanced" power supplyrails aren't perfectly balanced); clipping may begin earlier on one half of the output waveform. Bootstrapping or a redesign of the circuit may alleviate this when it is caused by difficulties in driving emitter follower output stages.
  3. If the power supply capacitor is no longer able to keep the voltage "flat" due to a massive current draw, the positive and negative voltage supply of the amplifier will fluctuate resulting in sort of a clipped signal that contains some AC line frequency harmonics.
  4. vacuum tube can only move a limited number of electrons in an amount of time, dependent on its size, temperature, and metals. Usually fall-off in amplification with increasing output current results in "soft clipping".
  5. Amplifying devices may also have limits on their inputs, for example the maximum base current a bipolar transistor can take, and a vacuum tube may have problems with grid current if the input signal becomes too positive. These factors can distort (clip) the input signal, if it comes from a high enough impedance source, or destroy the device (and so the designer will probably employ other limiting circuits; see below).
  6. A transformer (most commonly used between stages in tube equipment) will clip when its ferromagnetic core becomes electromagnetically saturated.
  7. An amplifier can limit the current output, or the input voltage, for a variety of reasons both intentional or not. Intentional limiting circuits would not be expected to come into effect in normal operation, but when the output load resistance is too low or the system is connected to an exceptionally high signal level, for example. The result of this form of clipping might not create a flat top to the Voltage waveform, but rather a flat top to the current waveform.
  8. Certain signal processing elements can produce a unique form of phase-inverted clipping when the input signal exceeds the common-mode input range of an opamp. The result is that the voltage waveform clips, but in the wrong direction.

Več: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clipping_(audio)



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Mihael
dec 23 2010, 13:02
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Clip zvočnika pomeni, kadar zvočnik več nemore oddajati čisti signal, torej je že v popačenju. Clip ojačevalca pomeni, kadar ojačevalec več nemore oddajati čist signal (sinus). Ni fajn, če je zvočnik ali ojačevalec v clipu. Samo tega se izogibaj.
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zvone
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Zvočnik nikoli in še takrat ne more biti v clip-u.To se zgodi samo v ojačevalcu,ko zaradi nesorazmerij signala na vhodu in izhodu pride do spremembe sinusnega signala v žagastega ali še huje v pravokotnega.Tak signal začne pregrevati navitje zvočnika tako dolgo,dokler ne doseže tako visoke temperature(do500 stopinj) ,da se ovoji žice razširijo,izstopijo iz svoje forme,kjer jih zagrabi rob magneta in......sivi dim-najprej iz zvočnika,natopa črni dim iz ojačevalca......Tako lahko ojačevalec z močjo10W po kanalu v clip-u z lahkoto "zakuri" 500W zvočnik.Prižigajoča clip dioda na ojačevalcu opozarja ,da se bliža brezizhodna smrt zvočnika-zato jo je treba vzeti skrajno resno in zmanjšati glasnost ojačevalca ali pa uporabiti kompresor. Poznam pa tudi tonskega tehnika (s Štuka) ,ki pravi,da ,ko ima liter vodke v riti ne j..e nobene lučke več....-bistro!
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